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In short, my desktop's Windows is screwing up horribly and the 64GB I currently got is horribly full with random things Windows, MS programs, etc dump on it...
So if I have to reinstall Windows I'd rather do it on a bigger storage device.. question is should I go with a bigger SSD or a small (250GB min) 10k rpm HDD?
I know a 10k HDD can't beat a SSD in speed but the only program so far I noticed it having a real influence on is Steam which stopped locking up every 10 seconds when I moved it from the 5400rpm HDD to the SSD which I use as system drive..
I can get an SSD twice if not four times the size now a days for the same price than I did when I bought mine
Thing is I don't know how properly use an SSD, not being able to defragment I find just plain annoying >.<

I need some help deciding what to do as i'm doubting between a 250GB (or 500GB) 10k rpm HDD or a 128GB (or 250GB) SSD...
Any advice you lot can give me?

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I got 128 SSD for system, I have 1Tb for games, music, photos extra. Basically if its something that use all the time like your OS, browser put it on your SSD.

Steam though you use it lot is really lot of different programs, so I put that on larger Secondary drive, same with music, video.

I do put some games on C if they are a major staple, like eve, or PS2 but when I stop playing them I remove them.
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take care of that SSD, the lifetime is arse compared to HDD. you may want to move the page file onto the magnetic for starters.

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not with my m4, Since i had it I have written about 32TB and its rated for 72TB and I had it 1 year 11 months. So at my current usage I see another 2 years. But From what I can gather, the general consensus is that the minimum you can expect 200Tb., based on lots of graphs and real world test.

so Cruicial will honor the warranty upto 72TB written data, but I probably get nearer 200TB before I see any problems.

Consider I use average 50Gb writes a day on my solid state. 200x1024 = 204800GB / 50 = 4096 days or about 11 years.

So I wouldn't worry to much about reasonable lifetime in reasonable usage.

Consider also that this computer is used for about 15-16 hours a day. Mind you dont run defrag.

To summarise my drive has 3 year warranty, I probably "wear it out" in just over 4 according to technical specifications, in reality I reach double that before i have problems. Hard drives over 6 years old live in my filing cabinet.
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Veranmis wrote:

Thing is I don't know how properly use an SSD, not being able to defragment I find just plain annoying >.<



Defrag your hard drive is only applicable to drives with moving parts. Essentially when you put things on your harddrive the head moves to spaces that are free to be written, if it can find one big contiguous block it is better as the head has to move less between reading and writing.

when you defrag your harddrive you bring your data to be physically located near each other. They by reducing seek times, and therefore increase read and writes.

File A
File B
Space ---

bad hd

--AA-BB--AB--BBB--

add file C takes 5 slots
CCAACBBCCAB--BBB--

so the head has to seek all over your disk.

Run defrag

AAABBBBBCCCCC----

now the head only has to move to start of C and it then just moves along reading the rest.

Delete B:

AAA-----CCCCC-----

Add D and E

AAADDDEECCCCCE---

and drives starts to get fragmented again.

SSD do not have this problem, hence the greater performance.
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I know mate, just more of a weird mental thing
And afaik defraging an SSD is just shortening it's lifespan for nothing =\

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Id get a similar specced to your current SSD and for the difference in price now get a faster secondary, 5400 rpm is very slow.
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got a OCZ 60GB Agility 3 (wasn't sure whether it was 64 or 60 but dxdiag says 57.1GB so it's the 60GB one ..) atm, tempted to get a 120GB one than.
got a Samsung HD204UI atm, would get a faster one but can't afford it atm, the SSD might be a bit of a strain too >.<
and tbh, apart from Steam, not really had any problems with it being 5400rpm

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Not a specialist, but what I've read a while back while shopping for parts goes in exactly the same direction as Ford described. Don't worry about SSDs burning out..... It just won't happen under normal use, for quite some years. Also (and this is important to me), when an SSD starts to fail, it loses sectors - slowly losing space. This failure is write failure only, you will always be able of reading your data. That's a good feeling to me. If you're bugged by not being able of defragging it, consider that the firmware on the SSD is doing a similar process for you, cycling the data over the disk as it is being written, so you don't wear down sectors more than others.

Loading times are badass on SSD. I couldn't ever go back.

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read about the moving bit, not seen the "allows readable" bit
that indeed is very nice

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